tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post5732169333573166783..comments2024-03-27T16:08:30.313-05:00Comments on The Great Change: I eat, therefore I killAlbert Bateshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17627996921976501534noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-84080918386737702282015-09-14T12:43:59.007-05:002015-09-14T12:43:59.007-05:00Hard to tell where you're going with this. Bes...Hard to tell where you're going with this. Besides breaking down some stereo types, not sure you accomplished much. The math on how to feed the world is complicated, and involves more than calculating what one person in Wisconsin can do. Not to mention the politics. But all of this is solvable and apocalyptic language doesn't really have a place in the discussion.Lausten Northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06784935133094816365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-1704887195599851372015-09-10T21:27:42.091-05:002015-09-10T21:27:42.091-05:00the Age of Consequence. (s) I do like that phrase....the Age of Consequence. (s) I do like that phrase. I also like beans and tofu. In future, I would think a Maize, Beans and Squash diet supplemented with Woodchucks, Raccoons, which will take your corn would do. I would not want to build hierarchical society. <br /><br />Diet For a Small Planet by F.M. Lappe has protein complementary details.<br /><br />Hierarchical society I see as a source of madness, delusion, and planetary desecration. I make my choices accordingly.<br /><br />Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10904549664984991709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-36717352960107255672015-09-07T13:44:07.162-05:002015-09-07T13:44:07.162-05:00I grew up on a worn-out cotton farm in East Texas,...I grew up on a worn-out cotton farm in East Texas, the grandson of a small acreage subsistence farmer of the old school. My vision of sustainable living has always included raising meat animals. I actually think there is a major disconnect from reality among many (certainly not all) vegans that has to do with the ethics of killing for food.<br /><br />I've always thought it was related to the Disneyfication of animal consciousness that most of my TV generation grew up with. Our culture insulates us from death so completely that lots of extremely questionable points of view have arisen, among people who have never had to grow their own food or kill anything to eat.<br /><br />I have to temper that kind of thinking, based on the examples of a few serious vegans who walked the walk, and managed to do pretty well without meat animals, and had a more reasonable basis for going that route...Scott Nearing comes to mind.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02757250545116691670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-25836066918160207202015-09-07T04:27:31.176-05:002015-09-07T04:27:31.176-05:00Great to start this discussion, and I think it'...Great to start this discussion, and I think it's a terribly important point that industrial vegan diets have a lot of death in them. But two points I'd like to make.<br />* Well, a question first... death of mice etc. aside, do you think it is possible to grow soybeans or other annuals sustainably? If so it might involve 'pasture cropping' or the multi-generational efforts of the Land Institute, but currently annuals cultivation seems to be destroying itself. <br />* I think it's a bit unfair to give a chicken a 1:10 turning-feed-into-flesh efficiency ratio and a cow a 1:40 because the chicken is an omnivore that eats pretty much human quality food. I don't think we should be eating much chicken -- it requires that prime one third of the arable land to grow it's food. A cow can use the other two thirds however and convert grass. adam manchoviehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11497852404675377280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-29763133971875331922015-09-06T14:06:23.700-05:002015-09-06T14:06:23.700-05:00B r i l l i a n t.B r i l l i a n t.Jan Lundberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00820776018221427750noreply@blogger.com