tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post6021679920527200568..comments2024-03-27T16:08:30.313-05:00Comments on The Great Change: Recharting CollapseniksAlbert Bateshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17627996921976501534noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-21244004801438959232014-02-20T20:24:42.694-06:002014-02-20T20:24:42.694-06:00Trifecta, shmifecta.
Dates, cinnamon, vanilla, mas...Trifecta, shmifecta.<br />Dates, cinnamon, vanilla, mascarpone, sugar, baking powder and even (for most people) flour, are not "local ingredients".Lidia17https://www.blogger.com/profile/07282311239366828612noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-79676266875705507072014-02-11T11:50:44.848-06:002014-02-11T11:50:44.848-06:00Frank Rotering deserves to be more widely known. H...Frank Rotering deserves to be more widely known. His two books <a href="http://contractionism.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/The-Economics-of-Needs-and-Limits-2nd-Edition.pdf" rel="nofollow"><i>The Economics of Needs and Limits</i></a> and <a href="http://contractionism.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Contractionary-Revolution-2nd-Edition.pdf" rel="nofollow"><i>Contractionary Revolution</i></a> delineate a coherent new economic framework for sustainable well-being, and the radical strategy needed to implement it. Check out his website at <a href="http://contractionism.org" rel="nofollow">contractionism.org</a> or click the book titles to download the free pdfs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-85981217749807808522014-02-02T12:29:44.240-06:002014-02-02T12:29:44.240-06:00I find it rather strange to find McPherson in the ...I find it rather strange to find McPherson in the "Doer" quadrant, given the fact that he's been very clear in presenting his view that humans will be extinct by some point in the 21st century, regardless as to what we do about carbon emissions, etc. If this does not make him a "doomer," I don't know what would. James R. Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04479775842917275682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-13237131851281572032014-01-22T08:18:18.108-06:002014-01-22T08:18:18.108-06:00"Carolyn Baker said, "I'm not even O...<br /><br />"Carolyn Baker said, "I'm not even ON the chart, thank God. I stand with Mike. Who needs more quantifying, categorizing, labeling, separating, binary, limiting, left-brain, Cartesian tools? This is precisely why we are living the current nightmare. This chart is only more of industrial civilization's three-dimensional drivel. I'm not on the chart because everything I stand for cannot be charted. In this instance, I love being marginalized!""<br /><br />This from the woman who says dealing with collapse is learning to let go of our egos. Anybody else feel the waves of irony wash over you when you read that?<br /><br />Tried to think of a useful comment. What I came up with is this:<br /><br />The difference between doomers and doers can be hard to chart. All of the writers (and those of us who aren't so well known but participate in these battles)who fall into your lower left quadrant are all "doing something" that might fall into the general realm of what D. Holmgren is now proposing.<br /><br />Simply by growing food, making our own energy, and trying to cut our dependency on money, a person begins to unplug from the matrix.<br /><br />For me, someone still clinging to the shreds of the ethos of the American middle-class, it isn't a fast process. And I don't want it to be a fast process, because if it were, that would surely be due to rapidly declining personal circumstances.<br /><br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02757250545116691670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-10896904841582945942014-01-21T19:25:46.899-06:002014-01-21T19:25:46.899-06:00I'd like to raise my hand in favor of this kin...I'd like to raise my hand in favor of this kind of charting, and applaud the <i>process</i> of refinement.<br /><br />I find it enormously helpful to see, at a glance, who is where on any number of spectra. <br /><br />One who objects on grounds that 'classification is demeaning' or 'confining' must find a library a frustrating experience!<br /><br />Thanks for your stimulating work!<br /><br />Dave ZDave Zhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13241033623115158564noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-32503817755616940812014-01-21T10:02:25.369-06:002014-01-21T10:02:25.369-06:00In the world that most of us readers occupy ( I th...In the world that most of us readers occupy ( I think), we at any one time identify and agree with at least someone occupying one of the quadrants. I think a game of ideological hopscotch applies to this.Danny Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08239701610522812113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1575603731696062553.post-60168485635393860632014-01-20T11:21:22.201-06:002014-01-20T11:21:22.201-06:00The re-labelling of the axes works, but I'm no...The re-labelling of the axes works, but I'm not sure about the naming of the quadrants - optimism and pessimism seem easier to chart than the new distinction between 'doomers' and 'doers'. These don't seem to be in the same category, and someone could surely be both - as KMO pointed out previously, Nicole Foss and Holmgren advocate the same course of action (doing) and both have severe prognostications for the future (doomy) even if their particular takes are different. In fact, surely everybody in the 'Collapse' quadrants is doomy? Is the word Doomer supposed to stand in for passive (i.e. not a Doer)? In which case it still seems to be the wrong description for most of those placed in that quadrant.Yourmindfirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07926297380518506112noreply@blogger.com